Markiplier's Relationships - Part 6

[Kiss-shot]

Jess eventually left after a long post answering some questions/concerns we had, but all throughout her time here she kept being somewhat antagonistic despite everyone's efforts to be polite, she kept trying to make us jealous by going on about how she'll be in Mark's life for a very long time, and kept saying that she doesn't want to be known as Mark' ex, that she wants to be known by her own merits... Few days later Mark puts up The Post promoting her, she gets thousands of subs, and now she's not seen as anything but Mark's ex. Does she say anything pertaining to wanting to be her own person? Nope, radio silence. Instead we see her showing off a text convo with Mark which basically screams "notice me fangirls because senpai does" and basically wasting Mark's promotion of her.

Kei and Monkey you both are SLAYING me with your great perspectives! I couldn't have put it better myself. Now this, I found very on point and basically spoke my mind. What I found most annoying was when she came in here to give non-answers to perfectly reasonable questions, she treated us like the rabid fanbase by extension, she emphasized multiple times that 'she'll always be a part of Mark's life' as if to tell us 'back off fangirls stop being so jealous'. She saw us as jealous and treated us like the fanbase that she hated, she said things to us that she probably wanted to say to the fanbase when she was dating Mark but couldn't because she would have been seen as a bitch.
And that text convo just made me:

[EternalSunshine]

If you look back in Marks archive you see a vompletely different man.

I understand that back then he didn't have all the connections and work he has now, but he was so much more interactive.
The fans knew when he was scrolling the tag, they'd get a response.

But because of all his work and those horrible accusations, I feel he was slowly disconnecting.

Mark needs someone to read over his tweets and his fans messages. He needs someone to do that because one more Hannah and April sized drama will collapse him. Not just his fans but him.

That's why im fearing that he's still to nervous to put his foot down. With a bigger community and people who already hate him, I can see someone accusing him of something and Polaris firing him for it.

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Sorry to bring up something from so many posts back, but who are Hannah and April?

[DeeZeenuts]

Hello everyone. Be prepared for a long post! Sorry for it's length.

Everything I say is purely my own opinion, feelings or random observation that may or may not be true.

You know I actually have been lurking for awhile (like 6 days). I don't typically condone gossip because it really breeds some bad karma.

But I have been following Mark and watching his videos since the end of 2014. Through that time, his videos got me through my dad being diagnosed with cancer and then passing away in July this year.

But I have started to notice through the past couple months, maybe since 6 million subscribers, his content and personality seem to be changing. I don't know if that's just in my imagination or not. But then when I saw him make that post about promoting Jess, it kind of confused me. I mean it's really sweet of him to help a struggling friend, but why even say that it's his ex? Realistically he has no responsibility to any of us, it's his life. But he could have easily just said his friend and if people asked him about it he could have later confirmed about it. The way it was handled seemed so sudden and random since I had no idea he even had been dating someone before all of that or that there were even rumors about it going around at all.

What really made me want to reply/post here was someone earlier in this thread saying how in his pictures at PAX 2015, he seemed out of it, like he didn't want to be there. I was at PAX. I went to his panel, and in the front VIP section I saw Jess. What has me a little confused is, why is Jess, Mark's ex and her friend in the VIP section? If they are just "friends" shouldn't she just have any seat like anyone else? I was in the front few rows of the panel Sunday so that's how I saw her. It was out of the corner of my eye. I am seriously not trying to cause rumors or whatever, to be honest, I just want Mark to be happy. What bothers me is the level of secrecy. I know he literally has no responsibility to us as I said, but even a "Yeah, we are together but it's not anyone's business but ours." would suffice. Idk, maybe that's silly to even think. Either way, the whole thing of her even being there seems kinda odd to me...:/

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Ugh okay, I'm just kind of venting because I'm still so hurt over all this. I mean I am still really happy that I got to meet Mark, but it was so discouraging to feel like he didn't care. I could easily just be imagining it, but I have a video of me talking to him and he seemed so distracted, like he wanted to leave.

[Gorillaz1236]

If you look back in Marks archive you see a vompletely different man.

I understand that back then he didn't have all the connections and work he has now, but he was so much more interactive.
The fans knew when he was scrolling the tag, they'd get a response.

But because of all his work and those horrible accusations, I feel he was slowly disconnecting.

Mark needs someone to read over his tweets and his fans messages. He needs someone to do that because one more Hannah and April sized drama will collapse him. Not just his fans but him.

That's why im fearing that he's still to nervous to put his foot down. With a bigger community and people who already hate him, I can see someone accusing him of something and Polaris firing him for it.

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Sorry to bring up something from so many posts back, but who are Hannah and April?

Hannah is the lying snapchat harpee who said Mark **raped and sexually abused her for asking for consented nudez

April was that whole transphobia crap that Of-Another-Broken-Heart made worse.


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[Kierans]

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Hello! Don't feel too bad about it, DeeZee. (hugs) I only got to meet Mark for a few moments to get a couple of signatures on Monday, too. I didn't try to say much, because there was a long line, of course. He's probably still adjusting to how to behave towards so many fans after his "wake-up call" this weekend, and gets stressed knowing the sheer number of people who want to meet him. (shrugs) He might have to start doing a quick signature/picture combo with everyone in line the way Felicia Day did. I don't mean to sound callous...but if you think about it from his perspective, he probably gets thousands of letters and thousands of fans who want to share some of their life stories, and it's literally impossible for him to give each the attention they need. It's not your fault or anything, just a reality that comes with being part of a large fandom. But I do agree, talking to Jack was way more laid back.

[kei]

Hello everyone. Be prepared for a long post! Sorry for it's length.

Everything I say is purely my own opinion, feelings or random observation that may or may not be true.

You know I actually have been lurking for awhile (like 6 days). I don't typically condone gossip because it really breeds some bad karma.

But I have been following Mark and watching his videos since the end of 2014. Through that time, his videos got me through my dad being diagnosed with cancer and then passing away in July this year.

But I have started to notice through the past couple months, maybe since 6 million subscribers, his content and personality seem to be changing. I don't know if that's just in my imagination or not. But then when I saw him make that post about promoting Jess, it kind of confused me. I mean it's really sweet of him to help a struggling friend, but why even say that it's his ex? Realistically he has no responsibility to any of us, it's his life. But he could have easily just said his friend and if people asked him about it he could have later confirmed about it. The way it was handled seemed so sudden and random since I had no idea he even had been dating someone before all of that or that there were even rumors about it going around at all.

What really made me want to reply/post here was someone earlier in this thread saying how in his pictures at PAX 2015, he seemed out of it, like he didn't want to be there. I was at PAX. I went to his panel, and in the front VIP section I saw Jess. What has me a little confused is, why is Jess, Mark's ex and her friend in the VIP section? If they are just "friends" shouldn't she just have any seat like anyone else? I was in the front few rows of the panel Sunday so that's how I saw her. It was out of the corner of my eye. I am seriously not trying to cause rumors or whatever, to be honest, I just want Mark to be happy. What bothers me is the level of secrecy. I know he literally has no responsibility to us as I said, but even a "Yeah, we are together but it's not anyone's business but ours." would suffice. Idk, maybe that's silly to even think. Either way, the whole thing of her even being there seems kinda odd to me...:/

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Ugh okay, I'm just kind of venting because I'm still so hurt over all this. I mean I am still really happy that I got to meet Mark, but it was so discouraging to feel like he didn't care. I could easily just be imagining it, but I have a video of me talking to him and he seemed so distracted, like he wanted to leave.

I don't really know where to start, DeeZee, so let's go with a big "welcome to GG". ::waves::

I'm really sorry to hear about your father. I've lost family members the same way. It doesn't matter how long you have to prepare for the worst, you never are. Really, legit feel for you there. Here's a hug. (Only if you like hugs, otherwise ignore it. )

I'm also sorry you felt that way after meeting Mark. This is exactly what I meant when I said earlier that the pain people felt from the backlash in all this hasn't disappeared, and some of it may never heal. I think part of him knows that, which is why he's struggling to stem the flow of blood from those wounds now. He's the leader of a 9 million member community when he never expected to be the leader of anything, and has obviously felt the pressure of being his group's fearless leader/coordinator at conventions. It may explain some of the outright obnoxious assholish behavior we've witnessed at the signings.

He also broke Indy Popcon and had his line shut down at SDCC, all because there are now thousands of people coming to see him instead of hundreds or dozens. From your experiences (and sadly similar ones at PAX) it sounds like he was concentrating so hard on seeing everyone he forgot to actually be mentally present for anyone. That also ties in with his admittance of pulling away from 9 million people because he just didn't know what to do anymore. He still doesn't I suspect, but he's reaching out to try and find that connection again. He may find it, but I think everyone knows it'll be different from here on out.

The not reading letters thing was sad. But in a way, I suppose he figured being truthful about that was more important than lying and saying he would read them? That's the impression I'm getting so far, that he's trying to regain the transparency he once had, which is why he'd mention that in the first place. But that also ties directly in with Jess, who it would seem spent almost every moment with him...at cosplays, at the panels, and in all of the after-parties. I still think he's just trying to be friends, but the evidence is tipping to an overwhelming degree that she wants more and I'm not sure which is worse: stringing her along, or actually getting back together after splitting his own fandom in half over it...especially if he tries yet again to hide it. If it's the latter, she's already proven she can't keep things low-key.

Anyway, I'm legit sorry for your experience, DeeZee, and I hope you find answers here. Or at least other people who understand your pain.

[M0nkeeButt2590]

Hello Deez! Always nice to have a new member!

Don't worry, we all have made novels on here. Comes with the territory.

Sorry your con experience wasn't that good, but I think everyone above me summarized it pretty well that Mark's still struggling with some things and doesn't really know how to balance things out between keeping the line moving and catering to each individual's fans' needs.

As for having Jess in the VIP seating, that's not a surprise to me. Not only is she friends with Mark but she's also close to Wade and Molly, so she'd get special seats by association just like all their friends. There was a pretty big group of friends with Mark and the guys at Pax and usually the guest speaker's friends and loved ones get a front row pass.

Definitely disappointed in the letter thing, but I wonder if he partially reads through them in his spare time or something. It might just mean he doesn't read them on camera. But who knows. What matters is he's trying to get back his community and I can't help but commend him for that.

[M0nkeeButt2590]

Now this is a quick little side note, but it might explain something.

In Mark's recent Hunnie Pop video, Lola asked Mark how long his longest relationship was. Mark's personal answer was a year and 9 months.

Now actually calculating it out, that timeline fits perfectly into how long his relationship with Jess was since they started dating March 2013.

So probably part of the reason he still allows Jess to stick around despite the breakup is because at this point in his life, their relationship was the longest he ever had.

[Immabatman]

Hello everyone. Be prepared for a long post! Sorry for it's length.

Everything I say is purely my own opinion, feelings or random observation that may or may not be true.

You know I actually have been lurking for awhile (like 6 days). I don't typically condone gossip because it really breeds some bad karma.

But I have been following Mark and watching his videos since the end of 2014. Through that time, his videos got me through my dad being diagnosed with cancer and then passing away in July this year.

But I have started to notice through the past couple months, maybe since 6 million subscribers, his content and personality seem to be changing. I don't know if that's just in my imagination or not. But then when I saw him make that post about promoting Jess, it kind of confused me. I mean it's really sweet of him to help a struggling friend, but why even say that it's his ex? Realistically he has no responsibility to any of us, it's his life. But he could have easily just said his friend and if people asked him about it he could have later confirmed about it. The way it was handled seemed so sudden and random since I had no idea he even had been dating someone before all of that or that there were even rumors about it going around at all.

What really made me want to reply/post here was someone earlier in this thread saying how in his pictures at PAX 2015, he seemed out of it, like he didn't want to be there. I was at PAX. I went to his panel, and in the front VIP section I saw Jess. What has me a little confused is, why is Jess, Mark's ex and her friend in the VIP section? If they are just "friends" shouldn't she just have any seat like anyone else? I was in the front few rows of the panel Sunday so that's how I saw her. It was out of the corner of my eye. I am seriously not trying to cause rumors or whatever, to be honest, I just want Mark to be happy. What bothers me is the level of secrecy. I know he literally has no responsibility to us as I said, but even a "Yeah, we are together but it's not anyone's business but ours." would suffice. Idk, maybe that's silly to even think. Either way, the whole thing of her even being there seems kinda odd to me...:/

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Ugh okay, I'm just kind of venting because I'm still so hurt over all this. I mean I am still really happy that I got to meet Mark, but it was so discouraging to feel like he didn't care. I could easily just be imagining it, but I have a video of me talking to him and he seemed so distracted, like he wanted to leave.

Hello my dear, welcome to GG. Don't worried about this forum, is just the title that makes the wrong impression of us ( and we don't care very much ). I am sorry about your father. I lost some members of my family in many ways, and really hurts. If you want to talk anything, my om is always open for all

And yes! I notice that Mark change little by little in his videos. We know that he isn't having the best moment of his life with many bad things happening around him.Fame can change people for better or worse, and Mark is walking in two lines. Making good choices and bad choices. This is normal, but have to take a moment for him to decide, and that's what he's doing at the moment. In my humble opinion, he could avoid many mistakes he made and confront things that could have been interrupted. I understand that he wants to be good, but he has to know at the same time be severe and take action. Jack is a great example of this.

And about Jess, I really don't care. Seriously, don't care if she will come back or not for him. But it would be wrong from her pretend friendship and then return with him to say it was a crisis. No. Just no. I do not know how the relationship works in your country , but when it's something serious and it was over, it's over. You can be friends, but you want to give a great time to not end up like an accordion: comes and goes. I really believe that they are friends.

I am sorry about your experience of Pax Prime, and I also hope that you found all the answers you need *hugs*

Offtopic: Also, I have something to show all, but on pm. It's about Pax.

[Kiss-shot]

So probably part of the reason he still allows Jess to stick around despite the breakup is because at this point in his life, their relationship was the longest he ever had.

On the contrary, I think being so long with someone and then having to shift gear into being 'just friends' would be hard, ESPECIALLY when they're hanging around with you at cons and every other event. How do you try to dissociate your past feelings for someone when they're with you all the time? I don't know what happened in between them breaking up and then going to AX, I don't know if that's enough time for them to get over eachother but hey, I could be wrong. It's different for everyone. But personally, it never ends well when you actually do TRY the whole 'let's just be friends thing'.

And I'm so sorry to hear about your experience, DeeZee. Please don't try to take it too personally and keep your chin up, you're in a safe place to vent your frustrations and write novels lol. And welcome!

[gulost]

batman could i get a pm about the pax thing please?

[Kiss-shot]

Offtopic: Also, I have something to show all, but on pm. It's about Pax.

Could I get in on that?

[ilikecupcakes]

Hello everyone. Be prepared for a long post! Sorry for it's length.

Everything I say is purely my own opinion, feelings or random observation that may or may not be true.

You know I actually have been lurking for awhile (like 6 days). I don't typically condone gossip because it really breeds some bad karma.

But I have been following Mark and watching his videos since the end of 2014. Through that time, his videos got me through my dad being diagnosed with cancer and then passing away in July this year.

But I have started to notice through the past couple months, maybe since 6 million subscribers, his content and personality seem to be changing. I don't know if that's just in my imagination or not. But then when I saw him make that post about promoting Jess, it kind of confused me. I mean it's really sweet of him to help a struggling friend, but why even say that it's his ex? Realistically he has no responsibility to any of us, it's his life. But he could have easily just said his friend and if people asked him about it he could have later confirmed about it. The way it was handled seemed so sudden and random since I had no idea he even had been dating someone before all of that or that there were even rumors about it going around at all.

What really made me want to reply/post here was someone earlier in this thread saying how in his pictures at PAX 2015, he seemed out of it, like he didn't want to be there. I was at PAX. I went to his panel, and in the front VIP section I saw Jess. What has me a little confused is, why is Jess, Mark's ex and her friend in the VIP section? If they are just "friends" shouldn't she just have any seat like anyone else? I was in the front few rows of the panel Sunday so that's how I saw her. It was out of the corner of my eye. I am seriously not trying to cause rumors or whatever, to be honest, I just want Mark to be happy. What bothers me is the level of secrecy. I know he literally has no responsibility to us as I said, but even a "Yeah, we are together but it's not anyone's business but ours." would suffice. Idk, maybe that's silly to even think. Either way, the whole thing of her even being there seems kinda odd to me...:/

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Ugh okay, I'm just kind of venting because I'm still so hurt over all this. I mean I am still really happy that I got to meet Mark, but it was so discouraging to feel like he didn't care. I could easily just be imagining it, but I have a video of me talking to him and he seemed so distracted, like he wanted to leave.

Hello my dear, welcome to GG. Don't worried about this forum, is just the title that makes the wrong impression of us ( and we don't care very much ). I am sorry about your father. I lost some members of my family in many ways, and really hurts. If you want to talk anything, my om is always open for all

And yes! I notice that Mark change little by little in his videos. We know that he isn't having the best moment of his life with many bad things happening around him.Fame can change people for better or worse, and Mark is walking in two lines. Making good choices and bad choices. This is normal, but have to take a moment for him to decide, and that's what he's doing at the moment. In my humble opinion, he could avoid many mistakes he made and confront things that could have been interrupted. I understand that he wants to be good, but he has to know at the same time be severe and take action. Jack is a great example of this.

And about Jess, I really don't care. Seriously, don't care if she will come back or not for him. But it would be wrong from her pretend friendship and then return with him to say it was a crisis. No. Just no. I do not know how the relationship works in your country , but when it's something serious and it was over, it's over. You can be friends, but you want to give a great time to not end up like an accordion: comes and goes. I really believe that they are friends.

I am sorry about your experience of Pax Prime, and I also hope that you found all the answers you need *hugs*

Offtopic: Also, I have something to show all, but on pm. It's about Pax.

Can I get a pm as well?

[MapleNia]

Offtopic: Also, I have something to show all, but on pm. It's about Pax.

Could I get in on that?

Me too, please

[gulost]

Hello everyone. Be prepared for a long post! Sorry for it's length.

Everything I say is purely my own opinion, feelings or random observation that may or may not be true.

You know I actually have been lurking for awhile (like 6 days). I don't typically condone gossip because it really breeds some bad karma.

But I have been following Mark and watching his videos since the end of 2014. Through that time, his videos got me through my dad being diagnosed with cancer and then passing away in July this year.

But I have started to notice through the past couple months, maybe since 6 million subscribers, his content and personality seem to be changing. I don't know if that's just in my imagination or not. But then when I saw him make that post about promoting Jess, it kind of confused me. I mean it's really sweet of him to help a struggling friend, but why even say that it's his ex? Realistically he has no responsibility to any of us, it's his life. But he could have easily just said his friend and if people asked him about it he could have later confirmed about it. The way it was handled seemed so sudden and random since I had no idea he even had been dating someone before all of that or that there were even rumors about it going around at all.

What really made me want to reply/post here was someone earlier in this thread saying how in his pictures at PAX 2015, he seemed out of it, like he didn't want to be there. I was at PAX. I went to his panel, and in the front VIP section I saw Jess. What has me a little confused is, why is Jess, Mark's ex and her friend in the VIP section? If they are just "friends" shouldn't she just have any seat like anyone else? I was in the front few rows of the panel Sunday so that's how I saw her. It was out of the corner of my eye. I am seriously not trying to cause rumors or whatever, to be honest, I just want Mark to be happy. What bothers me is the level of secrecy. I know he literally has no responsibility to us as I said, but even a "Yeah, we are together but it's not anyone's business but ours." would suffice. Idk, maybe that's silly to even think. Either way, the whole thing of her even being there seems kinda odd to me...:/

Now, I met Mark on the 31st, it was kinda early afternoon. and he did seem kind of out of it. He seemed like he didn't want to be there. I was telling him about feeling so lost since I lost my dad, and that I was really happy to get to meet him. I couldn't tell if he was just sleepy, or uninterested in what I said. But he made me feel a little like he wasn't interested in what I was saying or paying attention to me by literally pointing out all the other people waiting to talk to him because I was talking to him for so long... I didn't process all of this until yesterday, and it made me cry. I don't want to think that he has changed or that he is different than what I expected him to be, but I cannot help but feel like that. I felt rushed to finish talking to him so other people could get through the line. I mean... I know lots of people wanted to talk to him, but it made me feel lousy in the moment.

When I talked to Jack, I blabbered for a good while but he didn't make me feel unwelcome, below him, or make me feel unimportant or rush me....

Now don't get me wrong, I still like Mark, but I am still kinda hurt by this. I even took the time to write him a letter that I put my heart into, but with his recent video about his gifts from Indy Pop Con, he didn't hardly mention PAX, and even outwardly admitted he won't even try to read ANY of these letters he gets, and that just breaks my heart. How many other people like me have written letters where they poured their heart out into that don't get read? I talked to Bob, and Wade too at PAX, and Bob told me he thinks Mark reads his letters, but with Mark saying that, it's a contradiction and like... I don't care if he does reply or not, but just knowing he actually took the time to read these letters or at least tried to read them would mean a lot to me and anyone else that wrote a letter. I know he now has a ton of subscribers now so he can't get through all of the letters, but his apology on his video felt so fake to me.

Ugh okay, I'm just kind of venting because I'm still so hurt over all this. I mean I am still really happy that I got to meet Mark, but it was so discouraging to feel like he didn't care. I could easily just be imagining it, but I have a video of me talking to him and he seemed so distracted, like he wanted to leave.

aww im so sorry to hear about your father :/ you're always welcome here sweetie!!

he does probably receives houndreds of letters each convention he goes to. i'm sure he tried his best to read as many letters as he can but when he receives as he does, with so many similar stories, its gonna be difficult getting through them all.

OT: jack seems like a super chill dude, i hope i get to meet him someday!

[M0nkeeButt2590]

So probably part of the reason he still allows Jess to stick around despite the breakup is because at this point in his life, their relationship was the longest he ever had.

On the contrary, I think being so long with someone and then having to shift gear into being 'just friends' would be hard, ESPECIALLY when they're hanging around with you at cons and every other event. How do you try to dissociate your past feelings for someone when they're with you all the time? I don't know what happened in between them breaking up and then going to AX, I don't know if that's enough time for them to get over eachother but hey, I could be wrong. It's different for everyone. But personally, it never ends well when you actually do TRY the whole 'let's just be friends thing'.

And I'm so sorry to hear about your experience, DeeZee. Please don't try to take it too personally and keep your chin up, you're in a safe place to vent your frustrations and write novels lol. And welcome!

I would normally think that, but Mark is fiercely loyal to his friends and family. Considering he still is super close to friends he's had since high school, I'm not surprised he keeps certain people close. And Jess has been in his life for a long time.

I still keep referencing his March LP but that small bit in that video summed up a lot of what Mark thinks in these situations:

"I've had bad breakups in the past and... they're really rough and... it's just like... you can only hope that people move on and be friends afterwards... I mean that's a cliche but... things don't always have to be bitter and angry afterwards cause... people can be human and still move on with their lives even if it doesn't work out"

It's not exactly accurate to the quote, but that's what he said. And this LP came during the time he was staying with the Grumps so the breakup was super fresh. Same with his answer in Hunnie Pop.

I think he really does just want to move on and be friends because he's known her for so long... at least that's what I'm hoping.

[Kierans]

Psst, if you want a PM, I think it's better to just PM the person directly so we can stay on topic.

I just thought of something. In the opening presents vlog, I think Mark only mentioned spending time with friends and meeting other "like-minded, creative people" as highlights of PAX. No mention of the fans or panels at all, iirc. Despite what he's said about being excited for the future, I wonder if he's getting burned out from dealing with so many people. He seems like the kind of person who'd be more comfortable working behind the scenes anyway, without the pressure of others' expectations.

[fishnchippychips]

So probably part of the reason he still allows Jess to stick around despite the breakup is because at this point in his life, their relationship was the longest he ever had.

On the contrary, I think being so long with someone and then having to shift gear into being 'just friends' would be hard, ESPECIALLY when they're hanging around with you at cons and every other event. How do you try to dissociate your past feelings for someone when they're with you all the time? I don't know what happened in between them breaking up and then going to AX, I don't know if that's enough time for them to get over eachother but hey, I could be wrong. It's different for everyone. But personally, it never ends well when you actually do TRY the whole 'let's just be friends thing'.

And I'm so sorry to hear about your experience, DeeZee. Please don't try to take it too personally and keep your chin up, you're in a safe place to vent your frustrations and write novels lol. And welcome!

I would normally think that, but Mark is fiercely loyal to his friends and family. Considering he still is super close to friends he's had since high school, I'm not surprised he keeps certain people close. And Jess has been in his life for a long time.

I still keep referencing his March LP but that small bit in that video summed up a lot of what Mark thinks in these situations:

"I've had bad breakups in the past and... they're really rough and... it's just like... you can only hope that people move on and be friends afterwards... I mean that's a cliche but... things don't always have to be bitter and angry afterwards cause... people can be human and still move on with their lives even if it doesn't work out"

It's not exactly accurate to the quote, but that's what he said. And this LP came during the time he was staying with the Grumps so the breakup was super fresh. Same with his answer in Hunnie Pop.

I think he really does just want to move on and be friends because he's known her for so long... at least that's what I'm hoping.

Yeah I think from what we can gather of Mark from his videos (which isn't too much I grant you) this seems like the most likely reason why they're still hanging out together. I mean, yeah it would be super hard to switch from dating to friends after that long, but it would probably be even harder to just cut someone out of your life completely who played an important part in it for so long. Plus the fact that they seem to have a lot of mutual friends would have made things awkward if they were made to pick sides.

[Gorillaz1236]

Me too pweese!


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[Kiss-shot]

Yeah I think from what we can gather of Mark from his videos (which isn't too much I grant you) this seems like the most likely reason why they're still hanging out together. I mean, yeah it would be super hard to switch from dating to friends after that long, but it would probably be even harder to just cut someone out of your life completely who played an important part in it for so long. Plus the fact that they seem to have a lot of mutual friends would have made things awkward if they were made to pick sides.

This is also true! I forgot that I said something similar, the easiest possible way to not create drama is to really put the past behind them and move on with their damn lives (it's also a very Mark-like thing to do). But with a certain someone in the equation, I doubt the possibility of it going that smoothly. As much as I don't like her, I don't want Jess to end up as the ex-gf who silently (or not so silently) pines and crushes over him, I've seen too many girls just not date for ages and not LIVE because she waiting for that one guy to change his mind. It slowly destroys a person, honestly.