Hannah Witton/Drunk Advice

[Nhian]

Am I the only one that got a chuckle when she said Dan's response was "I thought we were already engaged." Sounds like saving face. LOL. No you didn't Dan, you just had no plan of actually proposing.

I also find it interesting that she still expects Dan to propose to her before they get married even though she's already "officially" proposed...? Strikes me as odd but hey maybe thats just me

I found it REALLY odd she was demanding a proposal from Dan with an ultimatum - particularly considering she kept spouting "because FEMINISM" as her reason for proposing to him.

Does her feminism mean she expects women (in heterosexual relationships) to propose to their men even after their men have proposed to them?
I really fail to see the feminism in still demanding a man propose to her even after she proposed.
Doesn't sound very feminist to me...

Okay I'm not alone. This is precisely how I felt. Like, I get it, I'm one of those women where I don't think a man has to propose, but also I would like for my partner to propose to me. However, I've been seriously considering proposing to him lately (actually thanks to Hannah lol) but if I do, I do NOT expect him to propose back to me. I mean I might still buy myself a nice ring because I fancy one, but I would not expect my partner to be burdened with proposing to me back. That just seems to defeat the purpose? Like you're basically telling him "okay I expect you to propose to me now because I'm ready." Idk it seems to take not only all the romance but also a lot of the agency away from the other person because, at least to me, it smacks a lot like "I'm ready NOW so I hope you're ready NOW as well." At least thats the vibe I get from Hannah. I also lowkey get the vibe that she proposed because she didn't think Dan would in HER timeframe, and is now making him do it as well to like PROVE something about how much her loves her and PROVE he was ready as well. I get the impression from the video that HANNAH had started planning the wedding, HANNAH was ready to get married, HANNAH is ready to have kids, etc. Dan seems very absent in all of this. I mean I'm sure he isn't behind the scenes but the way Hannah talks about it all as about HER and barely mentions him just kind of says something to me about their relationship. I mean in a video about her proposal to her partner I felt like she BARELY talked about him.

I’m going to disclose my bias here before I start. I am a fan and Patreon supporter of Hannah but I’m also a regular GG user and like to look at different threads to see what people were saying. Hannah mentioned (in her podcast I think?) that she has to speed up marriage and kids so she can have kids before she decides on a permanent stoma/j-pouch. Just something to bear in mind, that might be why it all seems slightly rushed.

[Rosie34567]

Am I the only one that got a chuckle when she said Dan's response was "I thought we were already engaged." Sounds like saving face. LOL. No you didn't Dan, you just had no plan of actually proposing.

I also find it interesting that she still expects Dan to propose to her before they get married even though she's already "officially" proposed...? Strikes me as odd but hey maybe thats just me

I found it REALLY odd she was demanding a proposal from Dan with an ultimatum - particularly considering she kept spouting "because FEMINISM" as her reason for proposing to him.

Does her feminism mean she expects women (in heterosexual relationships) to propose to their men even after their men have proposed to them?
I really fail to see the feminism in still demanding a man propose to her even after she proposed.
Doesn't sound very feminist to me...

Agree! The "I thought we were already engaged" part was weird. Sounds (ironically) like they have poor communication skills

But, in all seriousness, it does seem controlling and passive-aggressive for her to propose and then expect him to propose later. I also found the part where she said she was getting married so "other people know our level of commitment" to be contradictory, since she claims to not care what other people think...and it also suggests that she thinks it's somehow un-feminist to admit that she wants to get married. Also, why did she insist on doing the whole card deck proposal thing (especially after the plan was ruined because he didn't want to play)...she could've just outright asked him if it was as nonchalant of a decision as she claims it was.

The overall intended message of the vid didn't really line up with her actions and her reasoning... I think Hannah is a bit confused, which made the overall message of her vid confusing.

[sleep84]

I’m going to disclose my bias here before I start. I am a fan and Patreon supporter of Hannah but I’m also a regular GG user and like to look at different threads to see what people were saying. Hannah mentioned (in her podcast I think?) that she has to speed up marriage and kids so she can have kids before she decides on a permanent stoma/j-pouch. Just something to bear in mind, that might be why it all seems slightly rushed.

Yes, that's absolutely the reason. After all, if she and her partner want to definitely have kids, they should take that into account. It may seem unromantic, but fertility issues can be a tough reality for a couple, nothing romantic about that. They can't be scared to have those conversations.

[BrideOfFrankenstein]

This might've already been mentioned on here (too lazy to read the full thread, sry) but it took me a couple of videos to realise she speaks kind of.. oddly? She breaks her sentences up in parts if that makes sense, she basically accentuates. every couple of words. as if there's a full stop. where there shouldn't be one. Now I've noticed it I can't unhear it and have difficulty getting through her videos. Also it seems like she has to catch her breath every couple of sentences. Is this because of her odd speaking pattern? Or maybe because of her physical issues..?

[bookish]

This might've already been mentioned on here (too lazy to read the full thread, sry) but it took me a couple of videos to realise she speaks kind of.. oddly? She breaks her sentences up in parts if that makes sense, she basically accentuates. every couple of words. as if there's a full stop. where there shouldn't be one. Now I've noticed it I can't unhear it and have difficulty getting through her videos. Also it seems like she has to catch her breath every couple of sentences. Is this because of her odd speaking pattern? Or maybe because of her physical issues..?

As someone who used to know her reasonably well, she just talks like that when she talks formally - the breathing is just part of her formal speaking pattern being a bit off.

[sleep84]

I wonder if they mean Toby Turner.



it's from minute 1:00

Don't tell me that Hannah had a good old roll in the hay with that toxic psycho as well!!
Did Toby Turner really sleep with EVERY FEMALE youtuber?
Also her ex Tim H. said in an old video that all youtubers sleep with each other. Oh man...

[BrideOfFrankenstein]

This might've already been mentioned on here (too lazy to read the full thread, sry) but it took me a couple of videos to realise she speaks kind of.. oddly? She breaks her sentences up in parts if that makes sense, she basically accentuates. every couple of words. as if there's a full stop. where there shouldn't be one. Now I've noticed it I can't unhear it and have difficulty getting through her videos. Also it seems like she has to catch her breath every couple of sentences. Is this because of her odd speaking pattern? Or maybe because of her physical issues..?

As someone who used to know her reasonably well, she just talks like that when she talks formally - the breathing is just part of her formal speaking pattern being a bit off.

This makes me more confused haha! Why is she using her formal speaking voice/pattern in her videos? (Including her supposed-to-be-more-chill second channel videos) They're just YouTube videos.. She's not giving a fucking seminar? I prefer youtubers to sound relaxed and.. like themselves in their videos. Not like they're lecturing me (while being out of breath constantly).

I don't know, maybe I'm just interpreting it all wrong because English isn't my first language..

[bcfc999]

I generally like Hannah and enjoy her content but I've been catching up on some videos I'd missed and some of the things she's said have really ground my gears. First off in the Reading Priorities one - most people know that YA books are not just for teenagers and early 20s, that isn't what YA means, so I don't think her "I'm nearly 28! No judgment here folks!" was needed - and u think she'd know that if she was as into reading and the reading community as she likes to think. I also felt she could have done some basic research! "This is by x, I think it's her first book in this genre... Oh this one is by y and I think her last book was called z..." Google it! Jeez! Also on the Board Game Collection one I was astounded by how many games she has that she flippantly admitted to not having played, or even knowing what they're about. That's not a problem solely with Hannah, it's something that annoys me with a LOT of YouTubers who have a LOT of things and kind of humblebrag their way through videos about them. Like what was the point of that video? Most of the games featured I couldn't tell you a thing about because she didn't even show them properly.

[fighead]

I generally like Hannah and enjoy her content but I've been catching up on some videos I'd missed and some of the things she's said have really ground my gears. First off in the Reading Priorities one - most people know that YA books are not just for teenagers and early 20s, that isn't what YA means, so I don't think her "I'm nearly 28! No judgment here folks!" was needed - and u think she'd know that if she was as into reading and the reading community as she likes to think. I also felt she could have done some basic research! "This is by x, I think it's her first book in this genre... Oh this one is by y and I think her last book was called z..." Google it! Jeez! Also on the Board Game Collection one I was astounded by how many games she has that she flippantly admitted to not having played, or even knowing what they're about. That's not a problem solely with Hannah, it's something that annoys me with a LOT of YouTubers who have a LOT of things and kind of humblebrag their way through videos about them. Like what was the point of that video? Most of the games featured I couldn't tell you a thing about because she didn't even show them properly.

Yeah I get this. I'm very into books, it's obviously fine if Hannah's not AS into books but it's the fact that she acts like she is. She has so obviously watched a few Booktube videos and thinks "okay so everyone likes pretty covers and organised bookshelves so that's what I'll do" but that's only the surface level of it and she never tries to delve deeper.

[kittenkong]

A lot of her vids have seemed lacking in depth lately, in the Pornhub one especially she offered zero analysis of anything she just read some bits out and said "Interesting...interesting...". I sat through because I thought she might have something insightful to add, but it was a total waste of time compared to looking at the actual website.

I also found it a little implausible that she apparently hadn't heard before that Pornhub release their "Year in Review" data - it's been going on for ages (since 2013), and gets a lot of mentions in mainstream media.

[clouise_92]

A lot of her vids have seemed lacking in depth lately, in the Pornhub one especially she offered zero analysis of anything she just read some bits out and said "Interesting...interesting...". I sat through because I thought she might have something insightful to add, but it was a total waste of time compared to looking at the actual website.

I also found it a little implausible that she apparently hadn't heard before that Pornhub release their "Year in Review" data - it's been going on for ages (since 2013), and gets a lot of mentions in mainstream media.

Its so funny you mention that, my partner and I actually watched that video because we love looking at the Pornhub stats every year (its just so morbidly interesting) and a) I also found it fascinating that as a sex educator she'd never heard of this before (makes it sound like shes not very up to date on popular sexuality and sex education but whatever) and b) we also thought she made a lot of really... frankly... uneducated sounding remarks. There was not only a complete lack of analysis but also an obvious lack of wanting to... like... Google and look things up...? I have to say, contrary to how it sounds, I don't actually dislike Hannah, but that video made her sound REALLY uneducated and, honestly, a little prudish. Not a great look for someone that claims to be a sex educator.

[clouise_92]

A lot of her vids have seemed lacking in depth lately, in the Pornhub one especially she offered zero analysis of anything she just read some bits out and said "Interesting...interesting...". I sat through because I thought she might have something insightful to add, but it was a total waste of time compared to looking at the actual website.

I also found it a little implausible that she apparently hadn't heard before that Pornhub release their "Year in Review" data - it's been going on for ages (since 2013), and gets a lot of mentions in mainstream media.

Its so funny you mention that, my partner and I actually watched that video because we love looking at the Pornhub stats every year (its just so morbidly interesting) and a) I also found it fascinating that as a sex educator she'd never heard of this before (makes it sound like shes not very up to date on popular sexuality and sex education but whatever) and b) we also thought she made a lot of really... frankly... uneducated sounding remarks. There was not only a complete lack of analysis but also an obvious lack of wanting to... like... Google and look things up...? I have to say, contrary to how it sounds, I don't actually dislike Hannah, but that video made her sound REALLY uneducated and, honestly, a little prudish. Not a great look for someone that claims to be a sex educator.

Like flicking back through the video, she seems almost... disgusted... at the amount of porn people watch when she's talking about the numbers. Like I guess fair enough if you have issues with the industry, etc etc but the smirk she pulls makes it sound like she thinks she's "too good" for porn? Also she calls porn viewers perverts... when she's apparently friends with miss Melanie who apparently claims she used to be "addicted" to porn... so nice friendship there. I mean I get she was trying to be "funny" but honestly her tone didn't sound that way to me. I think she has some lowkey prejudice against people that watch porn. Also, she didn't even read half the graphs correctly and had to correct herself in editing (like the Top Search Terms page). Also she didn't know what BBC was? Like come ON Hannah. IDK I just thought that video in particular was weird and didn't make her come across well, as a sex educator or just as a regular person.

[kittenkong]

I think her reactions during her Sex Survey vid confirm that she's pretty anti-porn and does have prejudice against morn viewers. Her angry rant and then her sudden realisation that it might not be wise to slag off the majority of her viewer base, causing a mild backtrack was very indicative.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being anti-porn as such because she's not wrong that it's can be a very exploitative industry, and you can be anti-porn while still being sex-positive, but she probably shouldn't cover it in her videos until she's figured out more clearly what she wants her public stance to be.

[bcfc999]

I think her reactions during her Sex Survey vid confirm that she's pretty anti-porn and does have prejudice against morn viewers. Her angry rant and then her sudden realisation that it might not be wise to slag off the majority of her viewer base, causing a mild backtrack was very indicative.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being anti-porn as such because she's not wrong that it's can be a very exploitative industry, and you can be anti-porn while still being sex-positive, but she probably shouldn't cover it in her videos until she's figured out more clearly what she wants her public stance to be.

I thought this too initially but reflecting on it more, I'm not sure whether she just has a really strange reaction to the surprise of people being different to her? For example her reaction to 92% of people (or whatever it was) sleeping in pajamas read as really judgemental to me, but I don't see what she could possibly be judging there?! So wondering whether she's just expressing her surprise at things really weirdly... Although imo she's always seemed quite tolerant of differences so I'm not sure that that would make sense either.

Slight tangent - does anyone know if something happened between her and Rose and Rosie? I'm sure I remember she and Rosie especially being quite close but I can't say I've seen them even interact for years.

[clouise_92]

I think her reactions during her Sex Survey vid confirm that she's pretty anti-porn and does have prejudice against morn viewers. Her angry rant and then her sudden realization that it might not be wise to slag off the majority of her viewer base, causing a mild backtrack was very indicative.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being anti-porn as such because she's not wrong that it's can be a very exploitative industry, and you can be anti-porn while still being sex-positive, but she probably shouldn't cover it in her videos until she's figured out more clearly what she wants her public stance to be.

I thought this too initially but reflecting on it more, I'm not sure whether she just has a really strange reaction to the surprise of people being different to her? For example her reaction to 92% of people (or whatever it was) sleeping in pajamas read as really judgmental to me, but I don't see what she could possibly be judging there?! So wondering whether she's just expressing her surprise at things really weirdly... Although imo she's always seemed quite tolerant of differences so I'm not sure that that would make sense either.

Slight tangent - does anyone know if something happened between her and Rose and Rosie? I'm sure I remember she and Rosie especially being quite close but I can't say I've seen them even interact for years.

I can totally see this. I do start to get the feeling that Hannah really thinks everyone is, or at least should be, thinking and acting like her. Maybe its the people she chooses to surround herself with. Maybe they form a really insular bubble and so she thinks thats normal. I do actually think the "pay for your porn" thing is actually a great example of that. Like she had to catch herself afterwards and be like "well I mean unless you can't afford to pay for it." But she doesn't realize that actually most people won't pay for it for other reasons, including (like a lot of people I know) you don't watch porn consistently enough to make paying for it a valuable economic investment. I mean I know that sounds harsh and I have major issues with the porn industry, but thats just a fact for most people. I don't think she means it to be judgmental, I just think she has a really hard time understanding why anyone would do anything differently than what she does, and therefore deems "right." Like we talked about before, I also think the way she presented her proposal video and told everyone that she expected Dan to propose back "properly" and had all these constraints on it, etc. probably seemed very normal to her because SHE thought it was normal and maybe other people around her have done similar things, but once it got put out in the world, some of us told her it seemed a bit strange to have all those expectations. So interesting points I think. Like I've said before, don't dislike Hannah, actually watch almost all of her videos, don't think she's a terrible hypocrite or judgmental person, just think she's really bad at recognizing when her ideals may not be the norm and how thats okay.

[bbqshapes]

I do really like Hannah as an influencer and admire her for her work ethic, because it's pretty well documented that she works hard and it pays off (unlike, for example, Bestdressed). She's also one of the only YouTubers I've seen where their Patreon adds to their content but doesn't take away anything from non-paying viewers, AND both of her books are great. But all her organisation videos are so weird. In her productivity video using Todoist she goes through each stat the app gives her and tries to give insight (eg. which days of the week are most productive and why) but she also admits to having reminders like "go for a run" and "go shopping" like what?? Who actually needs to be reminded that they need to go grocery shopping? Like the Pornhub review video it's all surface level stuff.

The Sex Survey video was so poorly done as well, it was hardly a "Survey" because she didn't know about the people taking it to actually learn any information and made her own assumptions as to why certain things were answered.

Also, has anyone noticed she swears a lot on her second channel? I'm not sensitive to swears but I thought the whole reason she launched her second channel was to be advertiser friendly.

[bcfc999]

I think her reactions during her Sex Survey vid confirm that she's pretty anti-porn and does have prejudice against morn viewers. Her angry rant and then her sudden realization that it might not be wise to slag off the majority of her viewer base, causing a mild backtrack was very indicative.

I mean, there's nothing wrong with being anti-porn as such because she's not wrong that it's can be a very exploitative industry, and you can be anti-porn while still being sex-positive, but she probably shouldn't cover it in her videos until she's figured out more clearly what she wants her public stance to be.

I thought this too initially but reflecting on it more, I'm not sure whether she just has a really strange reaction to the surprise of people being different to her? For example her reaction to 92% of people (or whatever it was) sleeping in pajamas read as really judgmental to me, but I don't see what she could possibly be judging there?! So wondering whether she's just expressing her surprise at things really weirdly... Although imo she's always seemed quite tolerant of differences so I'm not sure that that would make sense either.

Slight tangent - does anyone know if something happened between her and Rose and Rosie? I'm sure I remember she and Rosie especially being quite close but I can't say I've seen them even interact for years.

I can totally see this. I do start to get the feeling that Hannah really thinks everyone is, or at least should be, thinking and acting like her. Maybe its the people she chooses to surround herself with. Maybe they form a really insular bubble and so she thinks thats normal. I do actually think the "pay for your porn" thing is actually a great example of that. Like she had to catch herself afterwards and be like "well I mean unless you can't afford to pay for it." But she doesn't realize that actually most people won't pay for it for other reasons, including (like a lot of people I know) you don't watch porn consistently enough to make paying for it a valuable economic investment. I mean I know that sounds harsh and I have major issues with the porn industry, but thats just a fact for most people. I don't think she means it to be judgmental, I just think she has a really hard time understanding why anyone would do anything differently than what she does, and therefore deems "right." Like we talked about before, I also think the way she presented her proposal video and told everyone that she expected Dan to propose back "properly" and had all these constraints on it, etc. probably seemed very normal to her because SHE thought it was normal and maybe other people around her have done similar things, but once it got put out in the world, some of us told her it seemed a bit strange to have all those expectations. So interesting points I think. Like I've said before, don't dislike Hannah, actually watch almost all of her videos, don't think she's a terrible hypocrite or judgmental person, just think she's really bad at recognizing when her ideals may not be the norm and how thats okay.

Yes I think that's a good example too. I do enjoy her content and she's one of few YouTubers whose content I look out for, but it seems to be getting more superficial as discussed above and I think she has become more strangely judgey? Hopefully that's only temporary!
I think I'm in the minority in that I understand where she was going with the proposal thing - my partner and I have discussed it (f/f couple) and we'll make the decision on when is right to get engaged and married together, but we both want a ring and a proposal! It only seems fair really

[bbqshapes]

In a move that will surprise no one, she admitted in her sexual assumptions video that she is super vanilla. She also talked about not having an orgasm until she was in her early twenties, which I am kind of stunned by given her personality as a whole.

[Clover la BonBon]

In a move that will surprise no one, she admitted in her sexual assumptions video that she is super vanilla. She also talked about not having an orgasm until she was in her early twenties, which I am kind of stunned by given her personality as a whole.

She is an odd one to be a sex educator...Always seems to be like she is forcing the identity on herself rather than it coming easily to her.

[teaintoronto]

I don't think you necessarily have to be kinky or super experienced in every area in order to be a good sex educator. It is much more important to be curious/interested/eager and open to learn new things, non-judgemental, and respectful of different bodies, sexualities, preferences, abilities, etc. And Hannah definitely has some shortcomings in that respect. It doesn't matter that she's not into BDSM or butt stuff, but it does matter that her so-called "educational" videos are often very shallow and badly researched and at times even quite judgemental of people who don't fit her own world view.