And Kayli's way of dealing it? Saying to him, "That's so rude!" in a normal, even tone of voice and then dropping it._nt13_ wrote:oh boy... winston now thinks its funny to trip his baby sister as she learns to run and walk. thats not dangerous AT ALL
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At least she didn't say "You're so cute!" But seriously, not okay. Would have been a good time to put down the camera, ask Winston to turn around and look at her, and tell him that he shouldn't trip her because it could be dangerous (what if he trips her in front of the coffee table?) and it isn't nice. Later, though, when they are going to swim, Kayli does say "No Winston, don't trip her."Presence wrote:And Kayli's way of dealing it? Saying to him, "That's so rude!" in a normal, even tone of voice and then dropping it._nt13_ wrote:oh boy... winston now thinks its funny to trip his baby sister as she learns to run and walk. thats not dangerous AT ALL
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A_L_M wrote:At least she didn't say "You're so cute!" But seriously, not okay. Would have been a good time to put down the camera, ask Winston to turn around and look at her, and tell him that he shouldn't trip her because it could be dangerous (what if he trips her in front of the coffee table?) and it isn't nice. Later, though, when they are going to swim, Kayli does say "No Winston, don't trip her."Presence wrote:And Kayli's way of dealing it? Saying to him, "That's so rude!" in a normal, even tone of voice and then dropping it._nt13_ wrote:oh boy... winston now thinks its funny to trip his baby sister as she learns to run and walk. thats not dangerous AT ALL
I can in a way understand why Winston does this. He is so used to being "the baby" who got all the attention in their family. And Kayli who babied him for so many years (Kayli has admitted it herself, because she thought Winston would be the last baby). Now he us getting older and is maybe not so little and cute, Layla has gotten older and needs more attention than she did when she was newborn, Gage has seemingly a great relationship with her, he holds her, play with her and then comes Winston being annoying and Gage pushes him away. Brailee is older and probably wants more alone time than hanging out with W, but Layla is so cute and a girl so she doesnt mind watching Layla. And with Kayli, who has to watch Layla, maybe thats his way of getting Kaylis attention. By tripping Layla.
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I don’t think he purposely tried to trip her in either cases. In the first case I think his leg was already out and she tripped over him. It seems like he tried to explain what happened and kayli worded it as Winston tripping Layla on purpose and he just agreed not really understanding what she was saying . In the second case I think kayli was trying to warn Winston to be careful by telling him not to trip her and not necessarily meaning that he was trying to do so.Whatever9304 wrote:A_L_M wrote:At least she didn't say "You're so cute!" But seriously, not okay. Would have been a good time to put down the camera, ask Winston to turn around and look at her, and tell him that he shouldn't trip her because it could be dangerous (what if he trips her in front of the coffee table?) and it isn't nice. Later, though, when they are going to swim, Kayli does say "No Winston, don't trip her."Presence wrote:And Kayli's way of dealing it? Saying to him, "That's so rude!" in a normal, even tone of voice and then dropping it._nt13_ wrote:oh boy... winston now thinks its funny to trip his baby sister as she learns to run and walk. thats not dangerous AT ALL
I can in a way understand why Winston does this. He is so used to being "the baby" who got all the attention in their family. And Kayli who babied him for so many years (Kayli has admitted it herself, because she thought Winston would be the last baby). Now he us getting older and is maybe not so little and cute, Layla has gotten older and needs more attention than she did when she was newborn, Gage has seemingly a great relationship with her, he holds her, play with her and then comes Winston being annoying and Gage pushes him away. Brailee is older and probably wants more alone time than hanging out with W, but Layla is so cute and a girl so she doesnt mind watching Layla. And with Kayli, who has to watch Layla, maybe thats his way of getting Kaylis attention. By tripping Layla.
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First of all, Layla is frikin' adorable. Second of all, I am amazed at the dichotomy between Elliott and Layla. Layla is running around already and is Elliott even standing on his own yet? I know babies hit milestones at different ages, but it's just something that struck me when watching Carlie and Kayli's vlogs back-to-back.
I haven't written here in a while and I see this topic has already been talked about, but I have to say, it kind of shocked me in a non-surprising way that Kayli and Casey did not wait until marriage. It was like...I had never thought about it before this video and just assumed that they had waited, but when the video started, I was kind of expecting Kayli to say that they didn't wait, but when actually she said that they didn't wait, I was still kind of surprised...don't know if that makes any sense lol. I am not against safe and consenting pre-marital sex, but Kayli's situation just strikes me as a girl who fell head over heels in love with an older guy and was willing to sacrifice her beliefs and (probably) what her parents taught her for the guy. I got implications from both Kayli and her mom over the years that Casey wasn't always super nice to her back then, so it just strikes me as something Kayli did because Casey wanted to do it. idk.
I haven't written here in a while and I see this topic has already been talked about, but I have to say, it kind of shocked me in a non-surprising way that Kayli and Casey did not wait until marriage. It was like...I had never thought about it before this video and just assumed that they had waited, but when the video started, I was kind of expecting Kayli to say that they didn't wait, but when actually she said that they didn't wait, I was still kind of surprised...don't know if that makes any sense lol. I am not against safe and consenting pre-marital sex, but Kayli's situation just strikes me as a girl who fell head over heels in love with an older guy and was willing to sacrifice her beliefs and (probably) what her parents taught her for the guy. I got implications from both Kayli and her mom over the years that Casey wasn't always super nice to her back then, so it just strikes me as something Kayli did because Casey wanted to do it. idk.
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Uhhhhh...
Winston whines about not wanting to go to school because he wants to stay home with Kayli and she's like, "How could I say no to that?'
WTF?
Is she so stupid and clueless that she can't recognize how she's teaching her son how the fine art of emotional manipulation can get him what he wants, when he wants it?
I get it. Winston missing a day of whatever "school" he's in won't harm the kid. But good gravy, it's really unsettling to watch her let this child--who STILL can't even talk coherently--decide if he goes to school based on whether or not he feels like it.
Is it just me or is Winston upping his game when it comes to reminding everyone he's the golden child in the family by acting out? This is the second vlog in which Kayli got snippy with him. Maybe Kayli is buckling under the pressure of trying to give Winston all the attention he's used to when what she really just wants to do is swoon over Layla.
Winston whines about not wanting to go to school because he wants to stay home with Kayli and she's like, "How could I say no to that?'
WTF?
Is she so stupid and clueless that she can't recognize how she's teaching her son how the fine art of emotional manipulation can get him what he wants, when he wants it?
I get it. Winston missing a day of whatever "school" he's in won't harm the kid. But good gravy, it's really unsettling to watch her let this child--who STILL can't even talk coherently--decide if he goes to school based on whether or not he feels like it.
Is it just me or is Winston upping his game when it comes to reminding everyone he's the golden child in the family by acting out? This is the second vlog in which Kayli got snippy with him. Maybe Kayli is buckling under the pressure of trying to give Winston all the attention he's used to when what she really just wants to do is swoon over Layla.
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Kayli's parents seem really nice and chill though.. I dont think they were as strict on her as Casey's mormon mom would have been. If Anything I think grandmatard was pissed that Kayli came into the situation..they never interacted much on videos and she doesnt seem to have the same admiration for her and her kids as she does colette...thisisnotmyusername wrote:s me as a girl who fell head over heels in love with an older guy and was willing to sacrifice her beliefs and (probably) what her parents taught her for the guy. I got implications from both Kayli and her mom over the years that Casey wasn't always super nice to her back then, so it just strikes me as something Kayli did because Casey wanted to do it. idk.
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I'm curious...
Throughout 2016-2017, Casey was often away from home. The reasoning was that he was off hunting--following his dream and making money to support his family.
Now that he's home so much, where exactly is the income coming from? I mean, if it was the hunting and the videos that were bring in the money, and now he's not doing either as much, how is he still able to pay the bills?
Throughout 2016-2017, Casey was often away from home. The reasoning was that he was off hunting--following his dream and making money to support his family.
Now that he's home so much, where exactly is the income coming from? I mean, if it was the hunting and the videos that were bring in the money, and now he's not doing either as much, how is he still able to pay the bills?
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The part about him "making money to support his family" was likely a lie. Hushin is clearly not successful. Following his dream? Sure. They were probably saving a lot of $ living on Shay's property and I bet even got a little from Shay after the Disney deal. Between Casey and Kayli, I'm sure she is bringing in more money than he is with her vlogging.Presence wrote:I'm curious...
Throughout 2016-2017, Casey was often away from home. The reasoning was that he was off hunting--following his dream and making money to support his family.
Now that he's home so much, where exactly is the income coming from? I mean, if it was the hunting and the videos that were bring in the money, and now he's not doing either as much, how is he still able to pay the bills?
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Come to think of it, they were likely able to save on rent much longer than just the time they were living in Shay's guesthouse. There is no way Casey quit his steel job to move to expensive Venice on his own dime. Shay/Maker obviously foot the bill and he probably got more on top of that.
It's why Carlie was so pissed that Christian kept her from living in L.A. She saw the great gig Casey had (i.e. do nothing and live in California while your bills are taken care of ) and wanted in.
Anyway, Casey had a great situation for almost 7 years that let him save, save, save. Shay is awful for so many reasons, but his siblings owe whatever financial freedom they have to him. And if they wish they had more, they should blame themselves because he set them up perfectly.
It's why Carlie was so pissed that Christian kept her from living in L.A. She saw the great gig Casey had (i.e. do nothing and live in California while your bills are taken care of ) and wanted in.
Anyway, Casey had a great situation for almost 7 years that let him save, save, save. Shay is awful for so many reasons, but his siblings owe whatever financial freedom they have to him. And if they wish they had more, they should blame themselves because he set them up perfectly.
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He also rented out his Utah house when he was in California, them sold it. He probably saved most of that money. I think their house was Lisa Nova's house first. Probably cheap rent.
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I don't know where you all get this idea Casey is dirt broke and obviously doesn't support his family and lives off Shay? Hushin is a brand... the clothes-wear is apparently very popular, and the Hushin channel is the biggest hunting-related channel on Youtube... it's a niche market by all means but it obviously pays enough to pay the bills.
He has obviously made some clever financial decisions over the years such as keep the Utah house until they recently sold it, live on thecompound ranch probably for cheap rent, but I don't think he's always had a free ride. The first house Shay and Collette own in pokey (the house they brought brock home too) Collette mentioned a few times that they were renting out to Adam, one of her step brothers. So they weren't giving properties away willy nilly to family. And correct, Casey was getting cheap rent in L.A from Lisa Nova.
But I don't think they've ever lived off Shay scot-free... the only people who have had a good ride, to my recollection, are Trolltard and Carl, who now live in the other pokey house belonging to Shay and Collette. To my knowledge they had intentions of moving to the same neighborhood but sold their house quickly so needed somewhere to stay, so moved into that house with the gang. Then never got a house of their own lmao. Even when Carlie was briefly living with Shay and Collette in that house with cooper she paid lodge.
He has obviously made some clever financial decisions over the years such as keep the Utah house until they recently sold it, live on the
But I don't think they've ever lived off Shay scot-free... the only people who have had a good ride, to my recollection, are Trolltard and Carl, who now live in the other pokey house belonging to Shay and Collette. To my knowledge they had intentions of moving to the same neighborhood but sold their house quickly so needed somewhere to stay, so moved into that house with the gang. Then never got a house of their own lmao. Even when Carlie was briefly living with Shay and Collette in that house with cooper she paid lodge.
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Nobody has said that. Because of Shay, he seems pretty comfortable.sadsong wrote:I don't know where you all get this idea Casey is dirt broke
No, it "obviously" doesn't. The "biggest hunting-related channel" doesn't mean diddly squat. A teenage beauty guru with views as low as his would struggle to use the profits to cover their prom expenses. The overhead on hunting videos is also much bigger than your typical vloggers. There are ample costs associated with these massive hunting trips he takes. He also has partners that get their cuts. As far as their clothing brand, it's basically Trixin with a different logo. There is nothing proprietary about their offerings and there's no reason to believe it's a huge money maker.Hushin is a brand... the clothes-wear is apparently very popular, and the Hushin channel is the biggest hunting-related channel on Youtube... it's a niche market by all means but it obviously pays enough to pay the bills.
How is that particularly clever? He was a 30 year old guy with a working wife and 2 kids who needed to live somewhere. His father-in-law got him a job at the steel mill and with that salary and his wife's earnings they bought a home that was probably around 200 grand. I'm not knocking that, but it's standard behavior for anyone in his position. And for all we know he got the down payment, which was probably under 40k, from relatives.He has obviously made some clever financial decisions over the years such as keep the Utah house until they recently sold it
I don't recall anyone saying he has always had a free ride. And we're all aware that Shay didn't willy nilly give things to Colette's family. We have all seen that he doesn't treat her siblings like he does his own.don't think he's always had a free ride. The first house Shay and Collette own in pokey (the house they brought brock home too) Collette mentioned a few times that they were renting out to Adam, one of her step brothers. So they weren't giving properties away willy nilly to family.
Oh I'm sure he bought some meals and random items for his family while in California. Rent, insurance, travel $, etc? Shay/Maker.But I don't think they've ever lived off Shay scot-free...
Then your recollection isn't very good. His siblings don't have real jobs, yet live comfortably and have for years. Since 2011, they've been full time "content creators" (which strangely involves not much content creating) with varying degrees of reliance on Shay.the only people who have had a good ride, to my recollection, are Trolltard and Carl.
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Socialblade estimates that the youtube channel Hushin earns $2.4K - $37.9K a year. I don't know why the range is so large, but if this information is close to accurate, even at the high end, $37,000 is by no means a lavish lifestyle. I'm not sure how much more he makes from the 'business' side of it.
I live in MN and there is quite an avid hunting/fishing population here. People HAVE heard of Hushin', for whatever that is worth (and these people are definitely not Shaytard fans).
I think they're well off due to a combination of things people have said:
1. I don't *think* Shay would've charged rent to live in their old house on the "compound" - the house was already there, right? And if he did charge rent, I"m sure it's not as expensive as it would be if the two weren't related. Not having monthly house payments is a HUGE saving.
2. They didn't have many/any costs associated with the Utah house because they rented it out when they moved to LA.
3. Maker probably contributed to their living situation in LA - either by paying partial rent or all the rent. I *think* they also got a salary from them - can anyone confirm this? I'm not 100% sure on that.
4. Invested their money "smartly."
5. Whatever money Kayli's vlogs and sponsorships make.
6. I"d imagine the cost of living in their neck of the woods is on the lower end.
Mostly, I think they just got the right breaks at the right time because Shay Butler is their brother. and with their housing situation usually always taken care of, it's very easy to save and invest that money to make it grow more. So I would't say they lived off him scotch-free, but pretty damn close.
I agree that I don't think Hushin is some giant earner, but I DO think that it makes more than HeyKayli's vlogs. Whatever it is, these people are clearly not scrapping for funds.
Also, I think it's super shitty that Casey never made some kind of explanation/good bye video on his channel about why he quit Vlogging. Did Kayli ever address this?
I live in MN and there is quite an avid hunting/fishing population here. People HAVE heard of Hushin', for whatever that is worth (and these people are definitely not Shaytard fans).
I think they're well off due to a combination of things people have said:
1. I don't *think* Shay would've charged rent to live in their old house on the "compound" - the house was already there, right? And if he did charge rent, I"m sure it's not as expensive as it would be if the two weren't related. Not having monthly house payments is a HUGE saving.
2. They didn't have many/any costs associated with the Utah house because they rented it out when they moved to LA.
3. Maker probably contributed to their living situation in LA - either by paying partial rent or all the rent. I *think* they also got a salary from them - can anyone confirm this? I'm not 100% sure on that.
4. Invested their money "smartly."
5. Whatever money Kayli's vlogs and sponsorships make.
6. I"d imagine the cost of living in their neck of the woods is on the lower end.
Mostly, I think they just got the right breaks at the right time because Shay Butler is their brother. and with their housing situation usually always taken care of, it's very easy to save and invest that money to make it grow more. So I would't say they lived off him scotch-free, but pretty damn close.
I agree that I don't think Hushin is some giant earner, but I DO think that it makes more than HeyKayli's vlogs. Whatever it is, these people are clearly not scrapping for funds.
Also, I think it's super shitty that Casey never made some kind of explanation/good bye video on his channel about why he quit Vlogging. Did Kayli ever address this?
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Inspired by your post, I checked out Kayli's SocialBlade page. Her estimated yearly earnings are $4.4K - $70K.thisisnotmyusername wrote:Socialblade estimates that the youtube channel Hushin earns $2.4K - $37.9K a year. I don't know why the range is so large, but if this information is close to accurate, even at the high end, $37,000 is by no means a lavish lifestyle. I'm not sure how much more he makes from the 'business' side of it.
...I agree that I don't think Hushin is some giant earner, but I DO think that it makes more than HeyKayli's vlogs.
So if Hushin is, say, making close to $37K (just in YT revenue...not factoring in the brand deals or merch sales), and it's split three ways, Casey is barely making any money from that channel.
Whereas, with Kayli, she could be making close to $70K and not have to split it with anyone. Even if $70K was on the high end and Kayli only made $50K of YT revenue, I would imagine that could offer an Idaho family a comfortable living.
Too bad we can't crunch their numbers and see just who brings in the most money out of these two.
I don't really like Casey and the idea of both his brother and his wife being instrumental in him having a cushy life, not having to work, and getting to go out for weeks at a time to shoot guns and hang out with his buddies just makes me dislike him even more.
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That's true, I forgot that the youtube channel is split between his partners or whatever they are.Presence wrote:Inspired by your post, I checked out Kayli's SocialBlade page. Her estimated yearly earnings are $4.4K - $70K.thisisnotmyusername wrote:Socialblade estimates that the youtube channel Hushin earns $2.4K - $37.9K a year. I don't know why the range is so large, but if this information is close to accurate, even at the high end, $37,000 is by no means a lavish lifestyle. I'm not sure how much more he makes from the 'business' side of it.
...I agree that I don't think Hushin is some giant earner, but I DO think that it makes more than HeyKayli's vlogs.
So if Hushin is, say, making close to $37K (just in YT revenue...not factoring in the brand deals or merch sales), and it's split three ways, Casey is barely making any money from that channel.
Whereas, with Kayli, she could be making close to $70K and not have to split it with anyone. Even if $70K was on the high end and Kayli only made $50K of YT revenue, I would imagine that could offer an Idaho family a comfortable living.
Too bad we can't crunch their numbers and see just who brings in the most money out of these two.
I don't really like Casey and the idea of both his brother and his wife being instrumental in him having a cushy life, not having to work, and getting to go out for weeks at a time to shoot guns and hang out with his buddies just makes me dislike him even more.
I obviously don't have any numbers to back this up, but I just have this feeling Hushin (the business) make more than Kayli's vlog channel. It's has more reach than I originally thought when random people from random small towns in MN have hard of Hushin'.
Who knows though, and honestly, Kayli DESERVES more with how much work she puts into being a single mother for a majority of the years + contributing to a significant portion of the income.
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Not only does she not split it with several people, her vlogs are her filming around the house and doing local things. Casey and his pals drive, fly, pay for licenses, tags, permits (in multiple states & nonresidents pay significantly more), ammo, gear, supplies, food, booze, etc.Presence wrote: So if Hushin is, say, making close to $37K (just in YT revenue...not factoring in the brand deals or merch sales), and it's split three ways, Casey is barely making any money from that channel.
Whereas, with Kayli, she could be making close to $70K and not have to split it with anyone.
After scrolling through their video titles the past year, I see 9 states and 2 other countries (New Zealand and Canada). And it's not just 1 guy who goes, it's a whole team (and not just the Hushin crew, sometimes random family members). This is not cheap.
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I'd be curious to know how the Hushin dynamics work. Kayli likes to make people think Casey is the boss and the other guys are his "team" (as she's said in the past). But the times I've scrolled through Hushin videos, it looks like the other guys do a whole lot more filming than Casey does.
What exactly does Casey contribute to that channel? The "Butler" name? Did he, initially, invest the most money to get the channel going? Does he have some sort of genius, entrepreneurial mind the viewers aren't privy to?
Honestly, Casey could get abducted by aliens--never to be seen again--and both Hushin and Kayli's vlogs would do just fine without his presence.
What exactly does Casey contribute to that channel? The "Butler" name? Did he, initially, invest the most money to get the channel going? Does he have some sort of genius, entrepreneurial mind the viewers aren't privy to?
Honestly, Casey could get abducted by aliens--never to be seen again--and both Hushin and Kayli's vlogs would do just fine without his presence.
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JFC!!!!!!
Speaking of Hushin, I just came from the channel and saw the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu7QvW7AgYs&t=414s
Turns out, Casey wants to become more "efficient" at shooting a pistol. It's legal in Idaho to carry a gun and he wants to up his skill and start carrying his.
Ugh. If he's so worried about his family being safe, why doesn't he start with being home more often?
I think it's lmmomSD who has often brought up the time, during the 2016 winter, when Casey wasn't home, Kayli was pregnant and got stuck in the snow with the kids. Rather than being worried about a shooter harming his family in a theatre or a grocery store, he should be making sure that winter situation, or something else like it, never happens again.
Here's to hoping to God Winston never gets his hands on that gun.
Speaking of Hushin, I just came from the channel and saw the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu7QvW7AgYs&t=414s
Turns out, Casey wants to become more "efficient" at shooting a pistol. It's legal in Idaho to carry a gun and he wants to up his skill and start carrying his.
Ugh. If he's so worried about his family being safe, why doesn't he start with being home more often?
I think it's lmmomSD who has often brought up the time, during the 2016 winter, when Casey wasn't home, Kayli was pregnant and got stuck in the snow with the kids. Rather than being worried about a shooter harming his family in a theatre or a grocery store, he should be making sure that winter situation, or something else like it, never happens again.
Here's to hoping to God Winston never gets his hands on that gun.
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It's his channel. He created it. It used to be called Hushin' with Lavere. If you go to the channel and sort by oldest videos first, the first 75-100 or so videos are all mostly his from years ago. The brand and company is his, he probably brought in his business partners later on.Presence wrote:I'd be curious to know how the Hushin dynamics work. Kayli likes to make people think Casey is the boss and the other guys are his "team" (as she's said in the past). But the times I've scrolled through Hushin videos, it looks like the other guys do a whole lot more filming than Casey does.
What exactly does Casey contribute to that channel? The "Butler" name? Did he, initially, invest the most money to get the channel going? Does he have some sort of genius, entrepreneurial mind the viewers aren't privy to?
Honestly, Casey could get abducted by aliens--never to be seen again--and both Hushin and Kayli's vlogs would do just fine without his presence.
If you watch this video -
Brian - Casey met Brian through a mutual hunting friend. Works for Hush full time but also has a Sales job.
Eric - Casey knew Eric prior to YT through hunting. Works for Hush full time.
Casey make reference in the video that Hush is not his only Internet business. Perhaps he is making reference to Trixin. They also explain a bit about the business and selling, they basically sell merch but have an affiliate scheme with some hunting companies. They basically promote gear in videos (sponsorship) and through the websites (cashback/discount).