Dan and Phil part 28: They edited for us, they edited for us

[Lari]

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[Lari]

the last 3 post from the previous part

I think studying this sort of thing also gives an insight as to how flawed these studies are, especially psychological/sociological studies that assume something about "biological need". That is when I know that there's a 200% chance that the study is going to be bullshit. It kind of sucks when you have people masquerading as social scientists, when you're struggling to be taken seriously as a student of social sciences.

OT but I can only imagine how frustrating that must be as a social scientist, because I still feel it as someone with a biology background. I often notice that those theorizing about biological correlations (almost always dealing with gender, race, or sexuality) tend to have very limited understandings of biology. Shit tbh, biology as a science has its flaws. Lemme not write an entire essay about it rn tho.

I'm really enjoying Dan the cameraman in Louise's vlog. No surprise that he became noticeably more invested when Phil got up on stage. And then when he panned the camera over the audience and you couldn't even see anything.

That was a mega shaky cam! Loved his super evening party attire too. All in all - a decent amount of D&P.

OMG, it's back. I missed you guys.

he could easily replace all of it with another job, something that Dan will struggle for. He doesn't have any concrete A levels to start of, and all he did in his life was working in two shops where he got fired

Yes, if yt is over, Dan wouldn't get a job even at Tesco, someone should tell that boy.

Dan is not going to struggle when youtube is over, at least if he wants to stay in media. It's not an area where you necessarily need a degree to get a good job. He has years of experience, that's worth a lot more than any media degree.

[japanophil]

so glad this is back - and still 7 pages to catch up on just wanted to say hi & how much i missed reading everyone's posts

[Peyton32]

First of all, English is not my first language, I thought I made that clear before, if not I do apologise. If you need the study as I said I am more than happy to pass it on to you but I would like to point out that I am just quoting it, I am not sure how much of it it's actually true or not. I just read it and had a look at the people that I know that are not streight and the study proved to be right on them. I am also not assuming that everyone who is gay/lesbian/whatever has issue with his/ her parents as I am not assuming that everyone that has got any issue with his/her parents has to turn into a non-streight person, the whole thing seemed relevant to me in Dan's prospective and I just referred to it.

About transgender - hopefully by that we mean the same thing - I mean that few of them don't actually realise that they have ovaries or testicle until a certain age and that of course might affect their conception of their as a sexual orientation/being.

About the future job position: I actually think that have success online does not necessary mean that you must have tto have success also in media. I have a little example here: back in Italy few of the most subscribed YouTubers (please note that there is just one Italian youtuber that does actually video in Italian that has got 1M subs) were asked to have a show on a channel (kinda what D&P did with BBC Radio 1 just in tv) and all of those Tv shows were cancelled after the first season because they did not have a good rate on tv. I will also like to point out that D&P have 2M views a video on average but that thing doesn't apply to their liveshows or in the same day the put the video on, that it's what a channel is looking forward to: they pretty much don't care if their show is watched online, that is how they calculate the rate.

Moving on to the house:
In UK you can actually buy your own flat even for as little as 5/8 years and then, if you want and the HA/Landlord agrees you can renew the lease. Also, I am not saying that every property has a lease but most of them, especially in London, do.


If anything is not clear, not written properly I do apologise. Also, please note that I am just sharing my opinions, I am more than happy to change my mind after having a good and long discussion. no probs at all.

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About transgender - hopefully by that we mean the same thing - I mean that few of them don't actually realise that they have ovaries or testicle until a certain age and that of course might affect their conception of their as a sexual orientation/being.

Looks like you're referring to intersex people?

[whyamihereee]

I'm a bit sad the other title was vetoed lol

[kazzie]

woah where to begin...

Im really happy with the boys approach to the voting. lol at Tyler Oakley and yay a Dan selfie.

The tweet Phil favourited was great though sad face that he removed it.

About the Dan and the daddy issues thing We don't know enough about Dan's relationship with his family to come to any sort of conclusion as to whether Dan has Daddy issues or not. Dan keeps his family life very private. We don't know really how often he sees them or talks to them or how well he gets on with them. His reasons for keeping his family off youtube may be for a number of reasons. He may not get on well with them or they just might not want to be public on youtube. The only reason we know Phil gets on well with his family is because they don't mind being on the internet. Phil's mum has been in a video and his brother talks to D+P fans on his twitter etc. The fact is Dan doesn't give away much when it comes to that aspect of his life so we don't really know. We can only make assumptions that may be completely wrong.
And about that study in general, im sorry but from what you are saying about it peyton it just seems extremely flawed. Speaking as another social science student its important to be critical of every study you read and not take things at face value. A lot of studies have flaws and while they can be interesting to read they should not be considered absolute truth.

And yeah I agree with Gabz here D+P are not going to go ahead and get office jobs. I just can't see it.

Louise's vlog was great. Loved camera man Dan and his giggling. And tipsy Dan at the end

+ ive nothing to add myself. Eagerly awaiting Dan's vlog.

I typed all of this with a 3 year old sitting on my lap, so soz if it made no sense and soz for not quoting anyone!

[PhilLester]

a+++ title though ia i was rooting for the other one

[ambery7]

I don't understand why you'd be sorry for thinking they're a troll, though.

idek, just in case, didn't wan't to offend someone with 1st post

I'm leaning towards troll now. Maybe it's kiro.

sounds familiar, right?

he could easily replace all of it with another job, something that Dan will struggle for. He doesn't have any concrete A levels to start of, and all he did in his life was working in two shops where he got fired

Yes, if yt is over, Dan wouldn't get a job even at Tesco, someone should tell that boy.

Dan is not going to struggle when youtube is over, at least if he wants to stay in media. It's not an area where you necessarily need a degree to get a good job. He has years of experience, that's worth a lot more than any media degree.

Hmm...I hope it's clear that I was joking

Louse birthday vlog was interesting to watch, lold at her glittery cake, being on stage and Phill too, Dan's laugh behind the camera, that holographic dress finally! she was so inspired to talk about in a liveshow
And Dan dressed for a party like a monk

[missemma]

Yay, my thread name got picked do I get to give a speech?
Although I did like #dickmatized, not such a bad thing, Dick is also a shortening of Richard here in the UK so you know we could be discriminating against any Richards in the thread by not being allowed such a word to live on

GUYS I MISSED YOU ALL!
I just want to say before we get everything going again, that I didn't realize how much y'all mean to me.
When the forum was down for so long, I wasn't worried about "who will I discuss D&P with??" I was worried that I would never have the chance to interact with you guys again and it made me so sad! Y'all have become like a little community for me during the "transitional" time of young adulthood. I love all of you! I knew I was attached, but I'm in deep with you guys

For those that stumbled upon Nika's tiny chat, I am so proud of our resiliency and was so happy to be around familiar people during that dark time. SO many lolz.

Oh, GG you are back when did it get fixed, I'm so pleased, but I did love the chat last night. I agree with everything you said, I was sad because I didn't know how to contact anyone, yay for Nika having made the chat.

Love me some sassy Phil




Guys, I manage to create a new survey database for my company whilst GG is down; seriously there is a need for #logoutforphan at least for me

Love sassy Phil
& I actually went to bed before midnight and got a full 7 hours sleep because there was nothing interesting to look at online. Now we are back and hello 4 hours sleep.

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New vlog with louise!

Just quoting this so I can watch it later after I've had some dinner.

Also, I watched Dan's liveshow back last night because it was super laggy on Tuesday night. I felt a bit sorry for him when he started talking about how he wishes he could be more social, for a 23 year old that's quite a sad thing to say. I did wonder if this was because he didn't really like socialising that much due to anxiety or if he really just cannot make new friends because being so popular it must be very difficult to trust random people you met along the way, do they really want to be your friend because they find you interesting or are they just interested in your fame? If you think he's kinda grown up in the public eye, so I guess making real friends/relationships must be very difficult and that must be incredibly lonely. Even with YT people, are they really interested in being his friend or do they just want to get to know him to feature in a video and get more views? Even if they do go out then they run the risk of being seen and stopped, so if he did have a partner etc and as he is so private about his life, then it must be extremely frustrating to not be able to take your partner out for dinner or to hold hands in public etc for fear of starting a massive drama. Ngl, I'm not envious of that life at all.
He also mentioned later on the liveshow that his twitter drafts are all really sad about his existential crisis and he doesn't tweet them because they're sad and he doesn't want people to worry. I dunno, him saying those things just make me think someone is going on, he always says though not to take him seriously and he is mostly joking, but why would you say something like that if you didn't mean it? Maybe the whole thing about him and Phil going their separate ways after the bour may have some truth, I guess time will tell.
ps. I'm not talking about Phil because he never really mentions it, he doesn't express his opinions like Dan does so discussions about it are so limited.

[ambery7]

Do you remember that funny chains of comments, that were already discussed

ps. after missemma commentary I feel kind of sad now, and don't want to joke anymore.

[Lari]

Do you remember that funny chains of comments, that were already discussed

ps. after missemma commentary I feel kind of sad now, and don't want to joke anymore.

secondhand embarrassment from those comments! i still can't believe they are serious, it doesn't look like they are joking, they are SERIOUS.

this is the worst one imo

edit: bc of the ps from ambery7 i reread emma's comment and now i feel kinda sad too

[coach]

Whyyyyyy are people talking about Dan going to get a regular job when YT finishes?!!

He's an ENTERTAINER! Do you know how hard it is to be on Radio1 and in magazines and on TV??? Why would he give that up to work in an office??

I find it so bizarre. When you're in the industry you're in. Doesn't matter how you got there. He's got an agent, he's got a CV and contacts. He'll be fine. Don't worry about his shit A-Levels, lol.

People are weird af, and super ignorant. I don't think they understand how well established Dan actually is, and they think he's an obscure youtuber, when he's really not.

Also, apart from failing psychology, his A-levels were pretty good. He got mostly As and A stars. He even got an A in psychology after he retook the test.

I'm always amazed by how much you guys know! How did you get your hands on that piece of info?

also thank you to all the beautiful people replying to the 'daddy issues=gay' thing because i seriously don't trust myself to reply to it without resorting to caplocks y'all are my heros

[haru]

Whyyyyyy are people talking about Dan going to get a regular job when YT finishes?!!

He's an ENTERTAINER! Do you know how hard it is to be on Radio1 and in magazines and on TV??? Why would he give that up to work in an office??

I find it so bizarre. When you're in the industry you're in. Doesn't matter how you got there. He's got an agent, he's got a CV and contacts. He'll be fine. Don't worry about his shit A-Levels, lol.

People are weird af, and super ignorant. I don't think they understand how well established Dan actually is, and they think he's an obscure youtuber, when he's really not.

Also, apart from failing psychology, his A-levels were pretty good. He got mostly As and A stars. He even got an A in psychology after he retook the test.

I'm always amazed by how much you guys know! How did you get your hands on that piece of info?

also thank you to all the beautiful people replying to the 'daddy issues=gay' thing because i seriously don't trust myself to reply to it without resorting to caplocks y'all are my heros

dan said so more than once in liveshows :3

[missemma]

Whyyyyyy are people talking about Dan going to get a regular job when YT finishes?!!

He's an ENTERTAINER! Do you know how hard it is to be on Radio1 and in magazines and on TV??? Why would he give that up to work in an office??

He might want to give it up to get out of the public eye? I'm only self projecting here because I couldn't imagine being that famous and people wanting a piece of me at every turn. Can you imagine your life being under so much scrutiny all the time? Gah no thanks. You make one eye movement and the whole phandom is like "oh god Dan looked at Phil in that way, WEDDING CONFIRMED", it must be pretty annoying at times. But I guess some of that is his own fault, if he really didn't like it then like he's said before - do what makes you happy. He could leave whenever he wanted, no-one is forcing him to make videos (unless he's in some kind of contract).

You can never really determine what he wants because he says one thing, then says he's always joking and don't take him serious and he's so private but how do we know deep down that he wants out of the public eye life and just wants to settle down, live a normal life and go and do normal things that you or I do. Like I said, I'm just self projecting mostly, but it must get tiring at some points - although I can see that it does have it's good side too money for Japan, money to live in London, money money money - but then money isn't always everything.

ps. guys I didn't mean to make you sad, I was just rambling.

[coach]

Even if he decided to leave the public eye he could go into the 'backstage' side of entertainment like Bryony did. And I imagine many agencies would love to have him as their social media/youtube expert.

[Amazinglyonfire]

Still not sure why people think that D&P will be going their separate ways. Having a book and tour will only serve to increase their combined brand/popularity and separating from that after the bour would strange indeed.

HOWEVER ... let's extrapolate this out further. Since they have branded themselves together, the person who has by far the most to lose (in terms of subscribers) if they separate is obviously Phil. I think both he and Dan are aware that probably a quarter of Phil's subscribers are people who are like "omg Dan is so hot, who is this guy who is in his videos" and these people would most likely drop away from Phil if they stopped branding together. If Phil is going to continue on youtube, I'm not sure separating from the Dan and Phil brand makes the most sense for him. If he was going to continue his youtube career it would be basically suicide.

Now, there's always the possibility that this may be Phil's ultimate goal. Moving to BBC exclusively, presenting and doing other things. As big a Phil fan as I am, I'm not so myopic as to think that continuing on youtube would be very difficult for Phil if he and Dan go separate ways. Dan's popularity sustains much of Phils (unfortunately for solo Phil) so IF there was going to be a separation it would have to be with an understanding that Phil would need to do other things and treat youtube as a mere sideline. (he very well may believe that way).

Dan could likely continue on youtube (with a small subscriber hit) if he separated from Phil. He is far more popular (solo) and could easily find others to collaborate with to sustain his youtube popularity. Not worried about Dan succeeding without Phil in the slightly and you can make the argument that Dan doesn't really "need" Phil. While the branding of Dan and Phil has definitely helped him, I don't get the sense that it sustains his popularity as much as his individuality does.

It's interesting to think about. It's just hard for me to imagine them going this huge book/tour thing and then saying "k....bye". Would strike me as a very poor marketing decision for two guys who are so young. However....you never know.

[manged]

O2L broke up months after their tour lolol (Not entirely comparable to D&P though)

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[phantasia]

Also, I watched Dan's liveshow back last night because it was super laggy on Tuesday night. I felt a bit sorry for him when he started talking about how he wishes he could be more social, for a 23 year old that's quite a sad thing to say. I did wonder if this was because he didn't really like socialising that much due to anxiety or if he really just cannot make new friends because being so popular it must be very difficult to trust random people you met along the way, do they really want to be your friend because they find you interesting or are they just interested in your fame? If you think he's kinda grown up in the public eye, so I guess making real friends/relationships must be very difficult and that must be incredibly lonely. Even with YT people, are they really interested in being his friend or do they just want to get to know him to feature in a video and get more views? Even if they do go out then they run the risk of being seen and stopped, so if he did have a partner etc and as he is so private about his life, then it must be extremely frustrating to not be able to take your partner out for dinner or to hold hands in public etc for fear of starting a massive drama. Ngl, I'm not envious of that life at all.
He also mentioned later on the liveshow that his twitter drafts are all really sad about his existential crisis and he doesn't tweet them because they're sad and he doesn't want people to worry. I dunno, him saying those things just make me think someone is going on, he always says though not to take him seriously and he is mostly joking, but why would you say something like that if you didn't mean it? Maybe the whole thing about him and Phil going their separate ways after the bour may have some truth, I guess time will tell.
ps. I'm not talking about Phil because he never really mentions it, he doesn't express his opinions like Dan does so discussions about it are so limited..

My heart. It does suck though. I feel bad for anyone he would try to date. I can already picture the "PROTECT DANS S/O" vs the "DANS S/O SUCKS" split in the phandom.

As for the sad tweets thing, I wouldn't be surprised if he made a video about handling depression. He makes light of having a "constant existential crisis" in videos but I also feel like he has a more experience with the issue then he lets on. Now that he is in a happier place in his life maybe he'd being more comfortable making a video about it.

In Catrifics inkblot test video {https://youtu.be/AxNUqRZTQNc }at around 7:51, when Phil asks him "WHATS GOING ON IN THERE DAN?" He straightfacedly answers, "emptiness and depression." While that is just his sense of humor, he could also use the fact that people interpret it that way to leak out some truths sometimes.
Cute moment in that video I'm probably reading way too much into:

Watch Phils face at 7:12 when Catrific reads the part about Dans personality and how people want to look after him. He mostly keeps a poker face but his eyes wander at that phrase and then he nods like "yep. I do." lol aww.

Loved the vlog. Thank you Louise for getting us some good D & P interactions finally.

Even if he decided to leave the public eye he could go into the 'backstage' side of entertainment like Bryony did. And I imagine many agencies would love to have him as their social media/youtube expert.

I can definitely see this. He seemed to really enjoy working on the book reveal video, though his perfectionism with it makes me wonder if he would be able to stay working under someone for long or if he would try to get into a more art director type role.

[missemma]

Don't be sad! Dan and Phil love being internet famous and would like some of that mainstream famous too. It's something they've both actively chased since their teens. These two aren't gonna go and work in social media lol. Look at all the contracts they have now, be real.

It doesn't mean it's easy, and the downside as you point out is not really knowing if people like you for you. But they have each other, and they love their life and all the opportunities it brings them. As far as they tell us, anyway. And yes, they have a contract - two years at a time and with a minimum amount of videos to make to fulfil it. Probably one a month by the looks of their channels.

Oh I'm not sad - I just think the way he sometimes comes across and the things he says can be a bit depressing for him, but then again like I said in the next breath he will say "everything I say is a joke". I don't sit at home and feel sad for him, it's his choice to continue making videos and putting himself out there on social media, he knows what he's got himself into and what the phandom are like, I was just making an observation

Damn Channelflip and their one video a month contract, they should at least make it 2